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What Are Inserts. Direct Vent Fireplace Inserts

Now you can take your boring, ordinary fireplace and convert it into a fully functional heater by simply using a direct vent gas insert. This option allows you to heat huge rooms for a minimal cost. The way this works is that outside air is used for combustion, meaning the room does not lose any air. Now add the realistic ceramic logs and glowing embers and you have a cozy fire to enjoy.

The direct vent provides an excellent source of efficiency. Best of all, the need for chopping and piling wood is over. Simply flip the switch and your room becomes a toasty environment for pennies on the dollar. Some of the advantages of a direct vent fireplace insert include:

• Fits easily with most factory-built and masonry fireplaces
• Ceramic logs are extremely realistic
• Optional remote control feature
• Varying settings for BTU control
• Generally, assembled, ready for easy installation
• Automatic thermostat
• Oxygen Depletion Sensor (ODS)
• Choice of LP or natural gas

The flexibility of a fireplace insert is one of the greatest benefits. In most cases, your existing chimney can be used. You will also have the choice of adding a blower designed to help distribute heat equally throughout your room. Therefore, when trying to heat your home, this method more than just works, it is cost efficient.

If design is a concern, you will be pleased to know that the stones for the direct vents and fireplace inserts vary in color and material. One of the most popular design choices is the bay front, which provides a warm and inviting appeal, perfect for a romantic evening with that special person, or for family enjoyment. Another popular choice is the brick lining that gives an appearance of a masonry fireplace. Most people look for ways to cut back on costs, especially heating costs that have skyrocketed in the past couple of years. With direct vents and fireplace inserts, the problem is solved.

Gas Fire Pit Faqs and Tips, Hints, Advice

Vented Gas Logs Require a Wood Burning Fireplace, Ventless (or Vent Free) Gas Logs can be installed in either a wood burning fireplace, or a ventless fireplace that is rated for aftermarket ventless logs:

Masonry Fireplaces: A typical masonry fireplace will have a chimney that is built from bricks that is lined with an oval shaped flue liner. If your damper is a wide rectangular piece that opens and closes with a lever and your fireplace is capable of burning wood, then you have a masonry woodburning fireplace that is designed to use either vented or ventless gas logs. If you purchase vented logs, you must burn the logs with the damper open. Prefabricated Woodburing Fireplaces: A Prefabricated (or zero clearance) wood burning fireplace is a metal box that is lined with refractory panels and has a round metal chimney anywhere from 8" to 15" in diameter. The metal box and pipe are built-in to the home with 2x4 construction and the chimney outside the house is usually covered with stucco, siding, or sometimes brick veneer. If you have a round damper that is 8" in diameter or larger and your fireplace is capable of burning wood, then you have a prefabricated woodburning fireplace that is designed to use either vented or ventless gas logs. If you purchase vented logs, you must burn the logs with the damper open. Ventless Fireplaces: Ventless (or Vent Free) fireplaces are similar to prefabricated wood burning fireplaces except that there is no chimney at all. Some ventless fireplaces come with factory installed gas logs and burner systems which cannot be removed or replaced without causing serious safety issues. Others are simply a black metal box that is designed to accommodate an aftermarket ventless gas log. If you have the latter type, then you can use any of the ventless logs on our site. Warning: You cannot install vented logs in a ventless fireplace!

Vented Gas Fireplaces: Vented Gas Fireplaces are built-in to your home just like real wood burning fireplaces, except that the flue that is a much smaller (usually 4" to 8" in diameter) and cannot handle the heat produced by burning real wood. All gas fireplaces will come with factory installed gas logs that cannot be modified or changed in any way. If you do not like the way your gas fireplace burns, you will need to replace the entire fireplace. Warning: You cannot install any of the gas logs on our web site in this type of vented gas fireplace. Doing so creates an extreme safety hazard. Direct Gas Fireplaces: Direct Vent Gas Fireplaces are like vented gas fireplaces, except that the flue that is may be vented directly out the back. All direct ventgas fireplaces will come with factory installed gas logs that cannot be modified or changed in any way. If you do not like the way your gas fireplace burns, you will need to replace the entire fireplace. Warning: You cannot install any of the gas logs on our web site in this type of vented gas fireplace. Doing so creates an extreme safety hazard. Vented - VS Ventless : which one is better?

Vented Gas Logs Require a Wood Burning Fireplace, Ventless (or Vent Free) Gas Logs can be installed in either a wood burning fireplace, or a ventless fireplace that is rated for aftermarket ventless logs. Ventless gas logs will produce more heat, while vented gas logs will look much more realistic. Read more below:

Vented Gas Logs:

"Fully Vented" gas logs and must be burned in a fireplace that is capable of burning real wood and must be burned with the damper open. The reason for this is that they do not burn the gas cleanly and create exhaust that is very similar to burning a real wood fire. This exhaust needs to be able to go up the chimney. The real beauty of vented gas logs is that they produce substantially more yellow flame than ventless logs which makes them look far more realistic. The downside is that most of the heat goes right up the chimney. However, In most cases, you can offset this heat loss by slightly closing the damper : but you must be careful that the exhaust from your logs is not coming into the room because, just like burning real wood, it contains Carbon Monoxide. A good way to test this is to turn on your gas logs with the damper slightly closed. Hold a lighter or candle in front of the fireplace opening near the top. If the flame from the lighter (candle) is being drawn in toward the fireplace, then you are OK. If the flame is standing still or pushed out toward the room, then your fireplace is not drafting enough and you must open the damper more. Positive Features of Vented Gas Logs:

1. Extremely realistic flame pattern that looks like a wood fire. 2. Flame is much taller than ventless logs

3. Flame dances and wraps around logs like real wood. 4. Does not require a CO2 detector

5. Since the damper is open, most of the smell will go up the chimney

Negative Features of Vented Gas Logs:

1. Less heat than ventless logs (probably won't heat your room)

2. Uses slightly more gas than ventless logs

Ventless Gas Logs:

Ventless gas logs (often referred to as "Vent Free" gas logs) have specially designed burners that burn the gas cleanly and produce almost no exhaust : somewhat like the way a gas range in a kitchen works. Since there is little or no exhaust, they can be burned with the damper closed. The beauty of this type of system is that 99. 9% of the heat produced by the gas logs goes into the room, so they produce substantially more heat than their vented counter-parts. However, there are many negative features commonly associated with ventless logs that you must be aware of before you decide to purchase them:

Positive Features of Ventless Gas Logs:

1. Much better heat output than vented gas logs

2. Less pollution

3. Slightly less gas consumption

Negative Features of Ventless Gas Logs:

1. Since the byproduct of burning gas cleanly is water, ventless logs will introduce excess moisture into your home which can result in mold or mildew. 2. You must be careful not to burn your ventless logs for extended periods of time with windows closed, otherwise they will deplete the oxygen in your home. 3. If you burn your ventless logs for more than an hour or so, you must crack open a window to allow air into your home to replace the oxygen burned by the ventless logs. This will introduce cold air into the room and offset some of the heating benefits that ventless logs claim to have. 4. Ventless logs produce an odor that many people equate to the smell of burning kerosene. So if you have a sensitive nose, you may not be able to handle the smell and will be greatly dissatisfied with ventless logs. On the other hand, we've heard some people who like the smell because it reminds them of their childhood days at Grandma's house. 5. Ventless logs are not legal in California as well as some cities and municipalities. However, you can still purchase ventless logs from us if you live in California : you will just have to burn them with the damper open (which really defeats the purpose). 6. Ventless logs are required to have an ODS (oxygen depletion system) as well as a CO2 detector : which might tell you that there are some risks involved in operating them if these systems fail. 7. The flame pattern with ventless logs pails in comparison to vented logs. Because the gas must burn cleanly, the flame height is very low and most of it is blue. 8. Also, you will find that the flame does not dance around like a real wood fire and very little of the flame actually touches the logs. The reason for this is that when the flame touches the logs, it gets cooled off and does not burn cleanly and starts to produce soot and exhaust gases. Bottom Line: We highly recommend that you purchase vented gas logs. You will be much happier with realistic appearance and high burning real-wood-like flame. We only recommend ventless logs when maximizing the heat output outweighs all of the other negative aspects. How do I determine what size gas logs to purchase?

Clearance Requirements: Each gas log burner system has a minimum clearance from the side walls of your fireplace. Burners with safety pilots require more clearance than those without. For gas logs with a safety pilot, the required clearance is due to air space that is necessary in order to prevent your control valve from overheating and melting. The most common mistake made by people who purchase gas logs without performing the correct size calculations is to install the largest logs they can fit in their fireplace ignoring any warnings or recommendations about leaving this critical air space for the burner. We Find The Correct Size For You: We have designed this web site in a way that ensures you end up with the correct size gas logs based on the dimensions of your fireplace and the type of burner system that you select. We do this by performing complex calculations which compare your dimensions to over 4700 possible gas log configurations and finding those that fit properly. No other web site can currently perform these calculations : so they take a chance that you will order the wrong size. Read about How To Measure further below. Calculation Examples:

For a Fireplace that measures 42" x 28" x 20". Figure 1A uses a gas log with an adjustable flame remote control valve, while Figure 1B uses a gas log with No Safety Pilot. Figure 1A

Gas Logs with Variable Flame Remote Pilot

Recommended Size = 16"

How the calculation is performed for Figure 1A:

Our site first calculates the width of your fireplace measured 7" back from the front of the opening. This is the approximate location that the burner system shown in the picture will be installed for the largest size gas logs that will fit. We then find the required clearance for the pilot system that you select, which is 2. 5" in the example below. Next, we find the additional width added on by the safety pilot. We then calculate D by adding A and B. Now if you take the required clearance plus the pilot size and then doubling it, you can subtract that number from the Center Width to determine the maximum size burner that will fit in the remaining space. In this case, the largest burner that will fit could be only 16" wide. And since we have logs and burners that are available 16" wide, this would be the largest recommended size. Although these logs may appear small in this fireplace, this is the largest size that will offer you the added safety and convenience of this burner system. Tops on Firepits

Gas Logs with No Safety Pilot

Tips on Firepits. Since there is no pilot that requires air space, we just need to find the largest size logs that will fit the space comfortably. In this case the Recommended size will end up being much larger than the first example and will ultimately look better, but won't have the added benefits of the remote control safety pilot. When we do this calculation, we allow only 1" on each side of the logs then find the remaining available space. By deducting 2" from the Calculated Center Width, we would have 35" left for the logs and burner. We then find the closest available size that is less than or equal to 35" : which in this case is 30". So we arrive at a recommended size of 30" for this type of application : Although 36" logs are in fact available and could possibly be installed, they would over-crowd the fireplace and would not look as good as the 30" Model. Tips on Firepits. How to measure your fireplace for gas logs!

How To Measure:

Measuring is very simple : basically we just need the Front Width, Back Width, and Depth of the fireplace floor. Measure only the useable space. We say this because some Prefabricated or Metal Fireplaces have an area where the mesh curtain hangs that is several inches wider than the actual useable floor space inside (See Figure 2B). Also, if you have a mesh curtain or glass doors, be sure to measure the depth from behind either of these, since this is the useable space for the logs. Otherwise, you may end up with logs that hamper the opening and closing of your screen. Tips on Firepits.

How to Measure a Masonry Fireplace

You're even better off if you measure just the floor of the firelace!

Tips on Firepits. How to Measure a Prefab or Metal Fireplace

A lot of fireplaces are like this, so make sure you notice if yours is too. What are the differences between Certifications?

Our Gas logs fall under 3 different classes: Non-Certified (No Approval Rating), RADCO approved, and CSA Design certified. Some states require a certification for gas logs and others don't. Be sure to check with your local building department if you are unsure about the requirements for your municipality. If you receive your gas logs and subsequently find that they are not legal in your city, you may not be able to ship them back once they have been installed. Non-Certified: Non-Certified logs are generally very large and use too many BTU's to pass any type of certification. However, they are still considered safe and legal in many cities and states. If you have a large fireplace (say over 45" wide), you will have a hard time finding "Certified" gas logs big enough to fit nicely, so we have a great selection of Uncertified gas logs for you to consider. Our Non-Certified logs are available in sizes up to 60"! Tips on Firepits.

RADCO: RADCO is a commonly accepted certification that imposes some restrictions yet is widely accepted in many states including California. Most of the gas logs on our site that are under 90, 000 BTUs will be available in RADCO approved versions. RADCO approved logs are available in sizes up to 30". CSA: CSA is the Canadian Gas Association : formally known as AGA (The American Gas Association). CSA has very strict regulations for gas appliances and in most cases requires that the gas logs have a safety pilot that has been factory installed and tested. There are also limitations to the BTU input as well as the actual placement of the logs on the grate. Many states require CSA approval, so you will be happy to find that we have over 1, 000 CSA approved log and burner combinations for you to choose from in sizes up to 36". Massachusetts: If you live in Massachusetts, you need to purchase special gas logs from a local dealer that are approved only in your state. None of the gas logs on this site are approved for installation in Massachusetts. California: California accepts both RADCO and CSA approved logs

New York: In most cities accepts CSA approved gas logs only. Other States: Almost all other states accept the CSA approved logs : and many states will accept RADCO approval while others do not require any certification. Again, be sure to consult with your local building department before purchasing gas logs from any dealer. What should I know about Natural Gas and Liquid Propane?

Tips on Firepits. Most importantly : Liquid Propane always requires a safety pilot, whereas Natural Gas does not. The reasons are explained in more detail below. Natural Gas: Since Natural Gas is lighter than air, it can be used without a safety pilot in many cities, providing the damper is permanently propped open. Propping the damper open will prevent allow the gas to escape up the flue in the event that someone turns on the gas without lighting the logs. Natural gas is typically used in homes where Natural Gas is already plumbed throughout the home. If you have Natural Gas in your home, but do not have it plumbed to your fireplace, be sure to have this done by a certified plumber. The plumber needs to know the BTU input of the gas logs that you purchase so that the correct diameter line can be run from the gas main or other connection. Also, if you already have natural gas plumbed to the fireplace, the amount of BTU's that the line can handle may be less than the logs consume : which may result in lower than expected performance. Liquid Propane: Since Liquid Propane gas is heavier than air, all gas log systems that use Liquid Propane are required to have a safety pilot. This prevents the gas from puddling in the home in the event that someone turns on the gas line without igniting the fire. Liquid Propane is commonly used in areas where Natural Gas is not available to the home. If you do not already have gas plumbed to your fireplace, then you will want to have a certified plumber or Liquid Propane expert install the gas line. Make sure that this is done to code for your area. Be sure to consult with your local building department if you are not sure of any requirements before purchasing gas logs from any dealer. What's the difference between Standard and See Thru!

Standard Fireplaces:

Fireplaces where the logs cannot be seen from the back side. This includes your typical fireplace as well as an "L-Shaped" fireplaces that are open on the front as well as the left or right side : Tips on Firepits. 3 sided bay style fireplaces that have 2 short sides and 1 long side. Standard gas logs have a single burner that causes the flame to come up only in the front and middle. The rear bottom log is smaller than the front bottom log and the grate is also narrower in the back. They are made this way because most standard fireplaces get narrower toward the back.

Fireplaces where the logs can be seen from both front and back. A true see thru fireplace is open between 2 rooms. However, any fireplace where the logs can be seen from both front and back would use a see thru gas logs. A 3 sided peninsula style fireplace that has 2 long sides and 1 short side would use a see thru gas log. See thru gas logs will have a special burner that causes the flame to come from the front, back, and middle of the logs. The logs and grate are also the same width in both front and back. See Thru

3 Sided Peninsula

What are the different control options?

Important Note: Liquid Propane always requires a safety pilot, whereas Natural Gas does not. The reasons are explained in more detail below. Match Light (No Safety Pilot): Match light systems do not have any type of safety pilot. You start the fire by lighting a long lighter or match and holding it inside the fireplace just above the burner while you turn on the gas. The gas valve should be located either in the wall or floor. If your gas valve is inside the fireplace, be sure that it is legally installed. Most cities require that you at least have a cut off valve outside the fireplace that is in reach. Match light burners are substantially less expensive than other options, but are not legal in many cities. Manual Safety Pilot Controls: Manually controlled gas logs have a safety pilot that stays lit all of the time (it can be turned off during the off-season). The safety pilot attached to the burner will have a knob that you turn to light the fire. This knob works as long as the safety pilot is lit. You cannot use a remote control with a manual safety pilot. Manual safety pilots are less expensive than remote control pilots because they use a less sophisticated system. This is also the least expensive way to operate gas logs with Liquid Propane. Remote Capable Safety Pilots: A remote capable safety pilot can be operated manually, but has the option to be operated via remote control. In most cases the remote control is sold separately. Some remote capable controls only turn the fire on and off while others can adjust the flame height as well. The variable flame remote controls are more expensive. Tips on Firepits. Electronic Ignition Remote Capable Safety Pilots: Electronic ignition systems are the latest technology. These types of systems turn the gas on and off electronically and do not have a standing safety pilot. There is no wasted gas or noise from a gas pilot when the logs are not burning. This is the most expensive type of system. Why does it matter what my logs are made of?

The material that your logs are made of can make a tremendous difference in the amount of heat that they produce, how much they glow, and how long they last. All of the vented logs that we carry are made of either Kiln Fired Ceramic or Refractory Ceramic, both of which radiate more heat than logs made of refractory cement or ordinary cement. The ventless logs are made of either Ceramic Fiber or Refractory Ceramic. Kiln Fired Ceramic: This material is made by taking a special formulation of clays and forming gas logs by an extrusion process. The extrusion given a bark texture then cut into individual logs. It is then air dried for 2 weeks before being kiln fired at nearly 2000 degrees for 3 days. Logs made of 100% kiln fired ceramic will radiate the most heat, last the longest, and glow red hot. The only company that makes kiln fired ceramic logs in the USA is Glo Fire. Refractory Ceramic: Refractory ceramic has substantial heat radiating capabilities and will last for many years. Refractory ceramic is a mixture of powdered ceramic and cement. This mixture is poured into a rubber mold and then left to dry for a day or so. Once the logs are dry, they are colored with a special heat resistant paint. Some logs have more hand painted details than others : and will look more realistic and cost more. Gas logs made by this process are generally the most realistic in appearance and the best overall value and are made by R. H. Peterson. Glo Fire also makes several log styles from Refractory Ceramic. Ceramic Fiber: This material is a by-product of the aerospace industry and is similar to the material that the ceramic panels used on the space shuttle are made of. The beauty of ceramic fiber lies in it's great ability to heat up quickly and glow red hot just like real wood. However, ceramic fiber requires a special type of burner system that does not generate as much yellow flame as our other logs. So we only carry ceramic fiber logs that are used for ventless applications, since ventless logs have the type of burner system that is required to made ceramic fiber logs glow. Refractory Cement: Refractory Cement are generally the least expensive logs and are sold at mass merchants, discount stores, home centers and the like. They are made using a heat resistant grade of cement : similar to what a mason would use for the mortar when building the inside of a fireplace. This material does not radiate very much heat. Logs like this may look realistic when they are new and painted, but they tend to crack and crumble after a short period of time : sometimes after the first use. We do not recommend or sell any logs that are made this material. What are BTU ratings all about?

BTU (British Thermal Unit) is the measure of the amount of energy that is either consumed or produced by something that burns. Natural Gas and Liquid Propane are typically sold in units of BTUs. BTU Ratings: For gas logs, the BTU rating is always the amount of gas that is consumed. This has nothing to do with the amount of heat that is radiated into the room. Vented gas logs are rated as a "Decorative Gas Appliance" as opposed to a "Room Heater". Decorative gas appliances cannot state BTU output without being tested and approved as a "Room Heater". Therefore, you will not find BTU "Output" ratings for most gas logs except for some ventless models (which we do not recommend or carry at this time). This has to do with legal issues that limit what can be stated about an appliance that is rated as a "Decorative Gas Appliance". So : the BTU rating for Gas Logs is published so that you will have an idea as to how much gas will be consumed during operation when the gas log is turned up to its highest setting. A plumber will be able to use this information in order to test the gas line in your fireplace to make sure that it has enough pressure to accommodate the BTU input for your logs. Although the Refractory Ceramic material that our gas logs are made of will radiate some heat back into the room, we do not recommend that you purchase gas logs with the intent of heating your living area. Just as with burning wood, most of the heat generated by a gas fire will go straight up the chimney and provide comfortable heat for the animals that hang out on your roof top. Read about partially closing your damper to push more heat into your room here!

BTUs and Flame Height: The amount of flame that you see has all to do with the size of the logs and the BTU rating. Logs that are between 18" and 30" will produce the best flame picture since the BTU input is in higher proportion to the size of the logs. However, there is a limit to the amount of BTUs that a residential gas line can provide, so most log sets that are 36" or larger will max out the BTUs that are available. This is important to know, because the larger log sets may appear to have lower overall flame height due to the fact that the maximum amount of gas that can be used is being distributed over a wider area. Can I burn my gas logs with the damper closed?

If you purchase ventless gas logs, then you can burn them with the damper closed. Otherwise, for vented logs, you must open the damper. However, you may be able to burn your logs with the damper partially closed. Tips on Firepits.

"Fully Vented" gas logs and must be burned with the damper open. Therefore, much of the heat produced by the flame will go straight up your chimney. In most cases, you can offset this heat loss by slightly closing the damper : but you must be careful that the exhaust from your logs is not coming into the room because, just like burning real wood, it contains Carbon Monoxide. A good way to test this is to turn on your gas logs with the damper slightly closed. Hold a lighter or candle in front of the fireplace opening near the top. If the flame from the lighter (candle) is being drawn in toward the fireplace, then you are OK. If the flame is standing still or pushed out toward the room, then your fireplace is not drafting enough and you must open the damper more. Read more below regarding the difference between vented and ventless logs under "What type of fireplace is required to install my gas logs?

Is there a product availible that produces a 'real fire' or burning wood scent when heated?

There is a product called Campfire Memories, which is really just incense that is made from compressed pine needles. You burn it in an ash tray outside of the fireplace. We don't have it on our site, but you can call us and order some if you wish. Tips on Firepits.

I'm sorry, your question was cut off as you can see. Can you please respond to this email with your full question. I look forward to your reply. are either the Hallmark Birch or the Peterson Split Oak avail. in a 20 inch log set and is the WS-1 wall switch wireless and will it also control flame height as well as on/off?

No, the WS-1 switch is not wireless, although it does not require a power source. It must be wired directly to the safety pilot. Also, it cannot adjust the flame height. If you want a gas log that has an adjustible flame, you will need to purchase one that has the APK-15M burner system which includes a remote control that will adjust the flame. our ventless gas logs are now about 4 yrs old and when we turn them on they is black smoke coming from them that is causing the white brick to be sooted up - they never done this before - what can we do to correct this problem. This should not happen with ventless logs and it is very important that it doesn't because it is an indication that they may be producing carbon monoxide. It's hard to say what is causing the problem without knowing what brand they are and where they were purchase. Can you please elaborate? Also, if you can email me a picture, it might help. want an elect. fireplace that fits like gas logs. We have 2 options for you. An electric fireplace insert, which uses the same realistic flame technology as our other electric fireplaces, but it is designed to be inserted into an existing woodburning fireplace. The second option is the old original electric log (which is substantially less expensive, but looks much less realistic). Tips on Firepits. What about the glass doors should they be opened when use the gas logs?

You will need to test to see how the gas logs burn with the exterior vents open. If the air pushes the flame forward, then you will need to close them. If the flame goes up or toward the back of the fireplace, then it is best to leave them open. You may find little or no difference with the vents open or closed : if this is the case, then burning the gas logs with the vents open will help with the efficiency of the fire. As for the glass doors, they are required to be left open when you burn gas logs. monessen lp gas logs 20"lx12"d non vent, no pilot, hickory if possible

What is the average lifespan for ceramic gas logs?

Depends on the Brand : However, ALL of our gas Ceramic and Refractory Ceramic logs have a lifetime warranty : so we really do that you will never need to replace them. Some logs that you purchase from home centers may only last 1 or 2 years, even though they say they are ceramic. It all has to do with the quality and composition of the ceramic used. I have 2 16" taper inset gas nests. Both are class 1 fires but I discovered the Selkirk IL 6" flue fitted to the chimney head does not suit class 1 fires. I don't want to change the flues but would like class 2 replacements. Can you advise?

Tips on Firepits. A local dealer showed me a "solid ceramic" vented gas log. Is this the same as a "refractory ceramic" shown in your series?

Solid Ceramic is not the same as refractory cement. However, many retailers like to refer to refractory cement as ceramic, and even the literature from R. H. Peterson mentions that they are made of ceramic : although they are a mixture of clay and cement (which is refractory cement). True solid ceramic would be made from 100% clay that must be kiln fired in order to turn it into ceramic. The only company in the USA that used a kiln to make ceramic logs was Glo Fire, and they have just recently gone out of business. If the logs that you are referring to were not made by Glo Fire company, then they are not truly solid ceramic. If you let me know what brand of logs the dealer was telling you about, I can probably tell you what they are actually made from. By the way : we do have some of the solid ceramic logs still in stock and they are the Glo Fire Golden Ember and Glo Fire Forest King as shown on our website. I only need to heat 500 square feet in my basement. Do I really need a ventless 24 inch triple burner system? I really want gas logs there, but not if it's going to be a sauna. Any thoughts?

We now have 3 ventless logs that have the option of an adjustable flame remote control, so you can better control the heat output. You can find them by using our gas log search and selecting Ventless as the Vent type. The 3 logs that have the adjustable flame output are: Ventless Aged Split, Ventless Charred Frontier Oak, and Ventless Charred Trail Oak. They are the first 3 logs that will come up in your search. This should solve your problem : Please let me know what you think. How do I turn on my pilot light on my gas fire logs?

hello, I am looking for a vented natural gas log 18 inches with a ajustable remote turns flame up or down

Most of our gas logs are available with an adjustable flame remote control. To find them, use our gas log search and be sure to select "Remote Safety Pilot" as the "Burner Type". The results will show all models with remote capable safety pilots. Most of these models with have this option available, so just click on the style that you like and then look for "Variable Flame" under the "Type" column. You should be sure to enter the front width, back width, and depth measurements into our search also to ensure that 18" logs will fit using the adjustable flame safety pilot. Please let me know if you are able to find what you want, or if you have more questions. I'm looking for replacement "embers" for a "Real-Fyre" outdoor gas fireplace. We can get these for you : however they are not on our website, so you will need to give us a call. I have a two sided wood burning fireplace that we have converted to natural gas. I need logs 18". I did not see any listed in your web site. Please advise as to availability.

The Glo Fire 100% Ceramic Logs will give you the most heat. However, that company has gone out of business and we only have 18" burner systems available (although we still have some 24" and 30" logs). All of the R. H. Peterson logs will give you the great heat as well and have the best looking flame. Or, you can purchase the Glo Fire Ceramic logs with an R. H. Peterson burner for the best of both worlds. You will need to call us to do this. I purchased the split oak set 2 years ago. It is very hard to start the logs, and when I get them lit, they will go out in about 5 minutes after they were lit. It then is almost impossible to get them to light. Do ya'll sell replacement parts?

The most likely cause for this problem is either an incorrect pilot setting (too high or too low), or that the log set is too large for your fireplace and does not allow enough air space to keep the safety pilot cool. If you can email me a picture of your gas logs in your fireplace, I may be able to help you further. 2 pictures will help : 1 of the entire gas log installation and a closeup of the safety pilot and sidewall of the fireplace (so I can check the clearance visually). I have a outdoor fire pit that i am told needs ceramic logs to help hold the heat. Do you sell outdoor ceramic logs?

Actaully, any of the logs made by R. H. Peterson can be used outdoors and are made of a combination of Ceramic and High Grade Refractory Cement. If you want 100% ceramic, Glo Fire, the only company that made them in the USA, recently closed down their factory and went out of business. We do have some of their logs in inventory, but do not have the burners for sizes over 18 inches. I would suggest that you give us a call to discuss your options. Can you put the ventless gas logs in a pre-fab fireplace?

Certainly, that is one of the most common applications : however, be sure to check with your local building department and make sure that ventless logs are legal in your municipality. I have a gas fireplace in which the pilot's lights blow out. We have fixed that but the knob and mechanism to light the pilot and keep it lit doesn't work and need to be replaced. Do I have to by new logs set? How about just a new control?

If this is a built-in gas fireplace, not a wood burning fireplace that has been converted to gas, you probably cannot use any of our gas logs. Can you email me a picture of the fireplace so I can give you better advice?

I have wood burning fireplace with gas starter. Is it possible to convert easily to direct vent gas fireplace? Can I use existing gas line?

You will need to purchase a direct vent insert, which is not something that we have on this website. However, we do have this on one of our other websites, so you will need to call us to discuss this option. do you have any gol fire logs available in 24

Although we do have all of the logs shown on our site in 24 inch sizes, since glo fire has gone out of business, we have sold through all of our 24 inch burner systems. However, you can purchase any of the 24 inch R. H. Peterson burner systems and use the Glo Fire logs. If you are interested in this option, you will need to call us to discuss the options and place your order over the phone. Would these Peterson 12" Golden Oak logs work in my Vermont Castings Intrepid II woodstove?

We do not advise that you install any brand of gas logs in any wood stove. They are not designed for this purpose. If you contact Vermont Castings, they will tell you that you should not perform this conversion.

What is the most realistic 24" gas fireplace log set?

All of the Vented gas logs will give you the most realistic fire : by far. If you select any of the G4 or G5 series burners with any of our R. H. Peterson logs, you will be most satisfied. I would also recommend any of the logs that are of the Charred series because the bottom log is burnt through into 2 pieces and allows you to see more flame and glowing embers. The Charred Oak, Charred Royal English Oak, Charred Split, or Charred Cedar would be the best. If you have a masonry fireplace that is over 20 inches deep and over 28 inches tall, I would recommend the Charred Royal English Oak because of the massive logs.

what is appropriate size gas log set for my fireplace dimensions 42W 35Rear, 22D

The answer to your question depends on the type of burner and safety pilot system that you select. If you install logs without any safety pilot, you can use logs up to 36", although 30" logs are quite appropriate if you cannot find a 36" Log that you like (since most logs are not available in sizes over 30"). Please go back to our site and enter your dimensions into our gas log search and you will see that it will calculate the correct size for every possible option available. one of my fireplaces is only about 13 in. deep. do you have anything for that?

We certainly do : All you need to do is enter the dimensions of your fireplace into our gas log search tool and you will see all of the options for logs that fit your fireplace. You will need to Front Width, Back Width, and Depth measurements for the search to work.

We do sell almost all of our logs individually, however, you will need to call us to discuss whether or not the logs you want are compatible with the burner system that you have. There are some major safety issues that you need to be aware of, so we do not enable our visitors to make this purchase without discussing these issues with us first. Tips on Firepits. Do I have to have an electrical wire running into the fireplace?

Only if you opt to use a wall control. But even in this case, it is not a hard wired situation where it requires 120V power. Instead, all of the power required is generated by the heat from the safety pilot. Are the logs FIXED in the shape shown? or can the small logs be placed on the bottom with the large log on top?

All of our logs come as individual pieces so you can stack them however you wish. (with the exception of some of the ventless logs that are required to be stacked in a certain manner). You state that Kiln Fired Ceramic is the best and only made by you, but I see none of these offered. Are they available, and how do we view them?

Kiln fired ceremic is the best, however, unfortunately the company that made them has just recently gone out of business. (They were not made by us : but by Glo Fire). We will update our site ASAP to reflect this information regarding Glo Fire, although there are still 2 models on our site because we have some in stock. They are the Forest king and the Golden Ember. If you are interested in either of these logs, you will need to call us to see if we have the size you need in stock. Otherwise, the R. H. Peterson logs on our site are the best available as of now. They are all individual logs and can be stacked however you wish (except for the ventless logs). Will 18" Royal English Designer Oak (BD Series) fit a Preway F/P 14" D x 29" W at front x 20" wide at back. It will fit physically, but I believe it will appear too large in your fireplace. I would hightly recommend the Charred Oak or Cedar logs for your application as they will give you the best look proportional to your fireplace. Please let me know what you think. I want the VR-1 remote for this log set and cannot locate it. It is available, but has not yet been added to our database, so it does not come up on our site yet. Please call us to place your order. We just purchased a Ventless Gas insert for our "real" fireplace. Ceramic "logs" etc, uses Canned Fuel? Any info?

I'm not sure if you are trying to get information regarding something you have already purchased elsewhere, or if you are trying to get information about our products. Can you please give me more details?

My fireplace is 48 X 48 30 deep--see thur open on both sides--masonary construction built in 1974--do I need the GX4 or G4 burner for the Royal English Designer Logs ?

The only difference at all between the G4 and the GX4 is that the GX4 has a heavy duty grate compared to the less heavy grate of the G4. So, the grate included with the GX4 burner will look more substantial in your large fireplace and will last longer with the heavy Royal English Designer Logs. So I recommend the GX4 burner.

Is there any difference between the RUS1 remote and the WC105 other than the decorative piece of wood?

Tips on Firepits. There are currenty no wall controls that do anything other than turn the flame on and off. The only remote control that can do this is the one that comes with the APK-15 Safety pilots. The RUS1 as well as the WC105 are both simple on/off controls : and yes, the only difference is the decorative piece of wood. I recently purchased a home with a gas log fireplace. when I light it the logs dont light just the burner below the logs. any reason why?

I can say that the way most gas logs operate is just how you described. However, the overall appearance should look like the fire is coming from the logs and there should be a bed of glowing embers below the logs that the flame filters up through. It could be that what you have is just a gas only fireplace, in which case there may be nothing you can do, bar replacing the entire fireplace. Quite frankly, I can't begin to answer your question accurately without a few more details. Can email a picture of your fireplace while it is burning? If so, I will certainly be able to answer your question. I look forward to your response. LOOKING FOR LOGS THAT HAVE A THERMOSTAT ALSO

Most of the gas logs on our site are now available with remote controls that have a thermostat feature, but since this is a new option, it has not yet been added to our database and it won't show up on our site. Please give us a call at the number below and one of our representatives will be happy to help you select the logs that have a thermostatic control options and are just right for your application. I visited your website two days ago, & it only gave me 2 choices @ 12 in. Width is only 20 f/b/c. Will 18 in really fit?

If you purchase a manually operated gas log, you can squeeze an 18 inch log into your fireplace, however, if you select any type of control, you will find that the recommended size is smaller. This is because all gas log controls require air space between the side wall of the fireplace in order to keep cool enough not to melt down and self destruct. Most of the styles do not come any smaller than 18 inches : that's why you will see so many choices in 18 inch logs. I believe that Peterson is the only company that gives you any options that are 12 inches wide : and at that : there are only 2 choices. I would suggest that you call and talk to one of our gas log experts over the phone to make sure all of your questions are answered and you get the right logs for your application. I just plsced an order for gas logs. I have not received a order conformation. Does the burner I chose do front flames?

You can adjust the burner forward or backward under the grate to get more or less flame in the front. R. H. Peterson also carries an actual "Front Flame Burner Tube" which can be added for additional flame, but we find that adjusting the position of the burner is usually sufficient. We do not have the optional front flame burner available to order on our site, so if you wish to add this to your order, you will need to call us. 2 questions : how do I order 36" peterson charred english oak logs? : do I need 110v electricity in the fireplace for electronic ignition? : thanks, r2

First, enter the dimensions of your fireplace into our gas log search calculator to make sure that the 36" logs will fit correctly with the electronic ignition system. This system requires more clearance than other remote safety pilots, and our calculator will determine the size logs that fit along with all of our safety pilots. You can also simply call us and place your order over the phone. And finally, the electronic ignition system is battery operated and does not require 110v power. what is the best rated gas fire logset to buy?

All of the logs on our website are equally good. However, there are huge differences between the vented and ventless logs:

If you do not care how the logs and flame look, but want the most heat, then you may wish to purchase any of the ventless logs that you see on our site. If you are more interested in how realistic the logs look and how realistic the fire burns, then you should select any vented log set. If you can give me a better description of what you want : and/or email me a picture of your fireplace, I can make a more precise recommendation. I was told recently that a person who has asthma, bronchitus, emphysemia or other breathing problems should not use ventless logs, especially those with propane in his/her house. What's your take on this claim?

I would agree. looking for logs made by Sunbeam model number UV-024, natur gas,

Sorry, Sunbeam is not one of the major gas log manufacturers, so we have chosen not to carry or support their products at this time. Is there three or more heat or BTU settings for these burners. I'm sorry, since you did not include the model numbers for the items you are considering, I do not have any reference to answer your question. However, the safety pilots that have a variable flame control can be adjusted up and down without the limiataion of particular settings. The gas logs that are operated manually (no safety pilot) can be adjusted simply by turning the gas valve that is outside of the fireplace. If you can give me the specific models that you are referring to, I can give you a more specific response. Hi: I'm interested in building, or buying, if such at item is available, a "Fire Pit" for deck. If I build one, I need a gas log set which is suitable for a round fireplace. Do you have either? Thanks. You can use any of the "Vented" gas logs that we carry in a round firepit if you purchase a "See Thru" model. Otherwise, give us a call to discuss other custom options that we have. are there gas logs or inserts for coal box fireplaces?

We are often able to retrofit our gas logs into coal fireboxes. Just depends on the dimensions and way the box is constructed. Your best be is to call and talk to one of our gas log experts over the phone to discuss your particular fireplace. Do you haVE GAS LOGS FOR round OUT DOOR FIRE PITS?

Actuall, you can use any of the gas logs made by R. H. Peterson for this purpose. I suggest that you call us to discuss your options in detail. I have the burner. I only need the ceramic logs. Someone stole our logs! Can I buy just the logs?

The answer is yes, providing your burner system is the correct type and you have a wood burning fireplace. I already have a hearthmaster burner installed in the fireplaces, How will this work with the 12" golden oak logs. Also, can I use my existing hearth grate and place the logs on top of it? FInally, is there a coal burner option to fit this fireplace?

If you purchase the logs from our site, they will come with a burner to replace your existing burner. One of the beauties of Peterson logs is the burner system which produces a very realistic flame, so you will want to use the Peterson burner. As for the grate, the burner comes with a grate as well that will position the logs at the correct height for the most realistic appearance. You may be able to use your existing grate, but I would only try to do that if it is some sort of unusual decorative grate. Otherwise, you may wish to replace it with the new one. Lastly, we can supply a coal burning system that is custom made to fit your fireplace. These are not currently on our website and start at about $1200. 00. Please let me know if you are interested in further details and pictures of the custom coal fires. I lost the insructions for the gas fireplace. The pilot light went. How do I start it ?

I'm sorry, but I can't answer your question without knowing more specifically what you have. Every brand is different. Please give me the brand and model number of your fireplace : or email me a picture of the fireplace controls and I'll try to help if I can. Can I use the Enhanced Split Burnt Oak Gas Logs (Model 24 ABS-MT24 Match Light 90000, no approval) in NJ?

We cannot make that determination for you. You need to contact your local building official to find out if there are any specific requirements such as AGA or CGA approval. If you need one of these approvals, you will not be able to use these logs. To much black soot when i burn my logs how can i get them to burn clean, can i buy just logs. How dirty your logs burn usually depends on the brand of logs you own as well as the type of gas you are burning. Propane will burn dirtier than natural gas. Our gas logs put out less soot than those sold at home centers and department stores because they use better burners and controls. You may be able to purchase just new logs, but your problem will just continue to reoccur. We have see thru masonry fireplace 38"-W 36"-D 24"-H We like Charred Oak CHD series. w/ Safety pilot. Should we get Glowing Ember Burner G4 or GX4? What is the difference between them? Our flue is 13" or 15" Square

The only difference is that the GX4 burner has a 3/4" thick heavy duty grate, whereas the G4 has a 1/2" grate. It looks best with the heavy duty grate (GX4). what is the maximum BTU'S for a set of vented gas logs allowed in a bedroom I was told 36000 is the new hearth standard.

Wish I could tell you exactly. However, it is determined by your state or local building department : you'll need to ask them. what kind of fire logs can I use in a fire place made out of wood

You can only use gas logs in a fireplace that is capable of burning wood. So if your fireplace is made of wood, I cannot see using anything that burns in it. Please give me a better description of your fireplace, and I'll try to be of more help. what is the widest size log set i can use with a fireplace 36" wide in back 40" wide in front and 26" deep

That depends on whether you are burning natural gas or liquid propane as well as the type of control that you desire. Assuming that you are burning natural gas and choose to light the logs with a match (no safety pilot), the largest log set would be 36". If you enter these parameters into our gas log search, this is the result you will get. However, since most gas logs do not come in sizes over 30", you will see most of the gas logs that come up in the searh are 30". The ones that come in at 36" do so because they are available in that size or larger. I would recommend the model CHBG4-36 Charred Royal English Oak, if you want the best looking 36" logs and fire. Can a 40, 000 BTU burner be used with a 30, 000 BTU gas supply?

It can, however you will only get 30, 000 BTU's of gas and the flame will not be as high as it was designed to be.

Do I need to have the stove cleaned yearly?

Tips on Firepits. Technically, you should not be installing gas logs in a wood stove, so the question is somewhat ambiguous. However, if for some reason you did install a gas log in a wood stove, how often you clean the chimney depends on how often you use your stove. If you use your stove constantly, then you should have it inspected yearly by a professional. How many hours of burn time LP gas 40000 BTUs 100lb .

You'll need to find out how many BTUs there are in your 100lb tank and then divide by 40000 to determine the total hours of fuel.

Does the G4 come with a valve to turn on/off the gas to the log?

No, the G4 does not have any type of valve unless you add one of the safety pilots : which operate as a valve. However, I would still recommend that you purchase a separate inline gas shut-off cock that you can control manually aside from any safety pilot controls. If you cannot purchase one locally from a hardware store, you can call us to place your order and have us get you one (they're not on our site, but we carry them). My plumber requests some diagrams for installation. We have a gas lighter already installed. The diagrams vary between the different burner systems. If you can email me the model number of the logs you wish to purchase, I will be happy to email or fax you some diagrams. I'm looking for an electronic gas log starter with remote control. All of the R. H. Peterson vented gas logs are avaialable with this option. To find them, enter the front width, back width, and depth of your fireplace into our gas log search and select "Remote Electronic Ignition" as the burner type. My fireplace exact measurements are 35. 5 x29. 5 x15. 5 Will a RG5-30-RV and 30inch golden oak logs fit?

The RG5-30-RV should fit perfectly. We've designed our gas logs calculator to account for all factors, including any additional mounting hardware and burner requirements. I double-checked our system simply by dropping the decimal of your measurements, so the extra 1/2 inch on each dimension will be negligible. The Golden Oak is a beautiful and timeless style, I'm sure you'll be very happy with them for years to come!

I need to understand the electrical rough in needed before I order an logs set. My current f/p only has manual gas value and real wood log lighter. There is no electricity required for most of our gas logs. Either the safety pilot itelf generates the milivolts required to operate it, or there are batteries. You already have all that you need. Where can I find the partially vented gas logs?

There really is no difference between "Vented" and "Partially Vented" gas logs. All of the "Vented" gas logs on our site would be considered "Partially Vented". So, simply return to our gas log search page and select "Vented" under "Vent Type". can i add remote control and blower to my Temco model AD 39 N/2000N

I believe that the model number that you are referring to is a vent free model from Temco. Unfortunately, Temco is not a brand that we carry or recommend. These are usually sold at mass merchants and home centers. You will need to contact the place where you made your purchase, or try to contact Temco directly. However, this is not an uncommon question : as it seems that a lot of people are not satisfied with the heat that they get from their Temco vent free gas logs. So I will respond further below. I don't believe that there are any brands of vent free logs that have blowers. It doesn't really make sense to add a blower to a vent free gas log since all of the heat from the fire should be coming into the room anyway. A blower would just push the heat out a couple feet and then it would rise to the ceiling just as it is doing right now. You will find that you get better heat distribution by installing a ceiling fan in the room where the fireplace is. This will help pull the hot air down from the ceiling and distribute it more evenly. The remote control issue has to do with the capabilities of the safety pilot that came with the logs. If yours is remote capable safety pilot, then you may be able to add a remote if one is still available for your logs. If the safety pilot that you have is a "Manual Control" then you cannot add a remote control. Hope this helps : Will the G46 burner (40000BTU) produce as realistic a flame as the G5 (75000BTU) burner?

They both do a great job, but I would give the G5 a bit of an edge over the G46 since the flame will be spread over a slightly wider area. However, the advantage of the G46 is that more often, you can use one size larger logs in your fireplace than a G5, so it depends on if you want to get larger logs or not. If our calculations tell you that the size that will fit your fireplace is the same for both burners, then I would recommend the G5. Which log sets are of the PARTIALLY vented variety? Damper opened 10. Any of our gas logs that are "Vented" are considered "Partially Vented". need ventfree gas logs w/remote, max10000 btu for 30" bedroom fireplace

Sorry, we do not carry any gas logs with this low of a maximum BTU output.

Is there a BTU restriction for seethru vented log with bed room on one side?

Tips on Firepits. Not for vented logs : only for ventless. I am looking for a specific brand. Vermont Castings - UVL24 and firebox Majestic UVSRC36. CFM Majestic (which owns both Vermont Castings and Majestic Products) has a strict policy that bans the sale of any of their products on the Internet outside of any dealers local terratory. We are in fact a Vermont Castings/Majestic dealer and sell the items that you have requested to our local Southern California customers. Although we do not agree with their Internet policy, we respect it and do not show or offer any of their products on our web site. We strongly recommend that you purchase these items from your local dealer, or consider a different brand. Otherwise, your warranty may end up being voided and Majestic will not offer you service if you ever have problems. Your local dealer will probably be hesitant to help you as well. If you are interested in a more progressive high quality brand, please consider Lennox Hearth Products. Lennox has been in business for over 100 years and are experts in gas heating appliances and fireplaces. They allows us to carry and support their products on the Internet. Although we do not have Lennox products on our web site at this time, you can visit the manufactures web site using the link below and then call us for pricing and delivery info.

Difference between ceramic and refractory ceramic?

Ceramic is made of clay and is molded, hand shaped and then left to air cure for about 2 weeks. It is then fired in a kiln for 3 days at nearly 2, 000 degrees. This produces logs that will get red hot and radiate the most heat. Refractory Ceramic is a mixture of powdered ceramic and cement. This mixture is poured into a rubber mold and left to dry for about a day then extracted from the mold. Although this process produces a larger variety of log styles with great bark detail, it does not radiate as much heat as true kiln fired ceramic. Fireplace Dimensions back 25" front 30" height 21" Opening above fireplace 24"X12" (No Damper) transitioning into a 6" diameter flue 30'high Is the existing 6" flue adequate for a Peterson G5 series vented burner 18" 75, 000 BTu/hr?

Tips on Firepits. The chimney flue must be at least 8" in wide a its smallest dimension for any of our gas logs : When shopping for these logs I thought my limitation would be an 18" set with a depth of 15"? is that wrong - I can go with a 20" set - your recommendation for a small 15 X 15 room?

A 20" set is perfect for your fireplace and room size providing the dimensions you supplied are correct: Front = 33 x Back = 33 x Depth = 15

Many dealers and manufacturers do not offer 20" gas logs, so that may be why you found this limitation elsewhere. The recommended size that we calculate also takes into account the type of safety pilot that you select, as well as the size that the gas logs are available in. You will probabely notice that some of the logs show 18" and some show 20" when you do your calculation : that's because the ones that show 18" are not available in 20". I have Majastic WM36-BRS fireplace with outside air vents and glass doors. I will be using propane. Can I continue using outside air vents and glass doors with gas logs? What should be my other concerns?

No, it is mandatory that gas logs be burned with the doors open : they require the additional air in order to burn properly and draft without creating soot and carbon monoxide. Very important that you stick to this rule. The outside air duct will not supply enough air for gas logs. You will find big warnings in all gas log owners manuals telling you not to close the glass doors. all i need istofine 16 inc. gas log

There are only 2 log sets that come in this size. They are the Golden Oak and the Golden Oak Designer Plus. I have supplied links to both of these logs below. These links show all sizes and options for both log sets. You will need to select the 16" options that meet your needs. If you have questions about which ones are best, please email me your measurements (Front Width, Back Width, and Depth). what is the difference between the G4 and G5 type burners?

The actual pan burners and safety pilots used are identical. The differences are described below. G4 Burners are either non-certified or RADCO approved and do not come with any type of safety pilot factory installed. The safety pilots are sold separately as options and installed by the consumer or plumber on the job. RADCO approval is not accepted in all cities. G5 burners are all CSA approved which is the most widely accepted approval. The ones with safety pilots have the pilot valve factory installed and tested, so installation is much less complicated. All of the Natural Gas models come with a gas regulator. It's best to check with your local building official to see what approval is required in your city before you purchase a gas log. If in doubt, use the G5. How much gas does 90000 BTU fire loguse an hour and how much does it cost?

90, 000 BTUs is in fact the amount of gas that is used and is what you will be billed for by your local gas company. So in order to find out how much it will cost, you will need to contact your gas utility company and ask them how much they charge per 1, 000 BTUs : or whatever base number they use to calculate your bill. Prices vary dramatically around the country, so the cost can be anywhere from $. 25 to $. 75 per hour. Keep in mind that you do not have to burn the logs with the gas completely open, so you can turn them down to use less BTUs. Please email me back and let me know what your local gas company says : and let me know what city and state you are from. I'm sure others would be interested in this information. I would like to find a corner gas log fp which is ventless. My Gas line comes up in the middle of my fireplace floor. Can I hook up gas logs without moving the gas line?

This can present a problem because the burner is about 7" deep and needs to sit at least 3" from the front of the fireplace. So the burner would end up on top of your incoming gas line. You have 2 options. You can move the gas line, or you can purchase a special pan style burner that sits up on legs. The pan style burner is probably the option of choice. If you are interested in this option, please give us a call since we do not have them on our web site. do you have the coals that go in the gas baskets?

Can you please explain what you mean by "Gas Basket". However, we do have what you call ceramic fiber coals for artificial gas coal fires. I am looking for lava rock to place around my vent free propane gas logs

Could you recommend a tile to use in my fireplace with gas logs.

If you are plannning to install tile inside your fireplace, any Ceramic tile should work fine. How the tile gets installed is equally important. We do not have a tile expert on staff : so I cannot answer your question with 100% accuracty. However, I supect that the same mortar that a mason uses to build the interior firebox would be necessary to install your ceramic tile. I would suggest that you discuss this with a tile installer or mason to be sure you know what to do. do you sell eiklor gas logs?

We do carry Eiklor logs, but they are typically special ordered for custom applications. They are not shown on our site because we have found that Eiklor's stock models are not as good a value as the R. H. Peterson logs that we display : nor do they have nearly as good a selection. However, we have found Eiklor to be the best choice when it comes to unusual fireplaces or large fireplaces that require custom made log sets. Because their custom logs are so expensive, they are mostly used in commercial applications such as Hotel lobbies and Restaurants. Which model of Eiklor logs are you looking for?

What are the dimensions of your fireplace (Front Width, Back Width, Depth, Height)?

Tips on Firepits. If you are looking for custom made logs, email us a picture of your fireplace and we can make a recommendation. Do you sell ventless gas log that are 10K BTU or less?

Sorry, we don't carry any gas logs with that small of a BTU rating. BTU ratings less than 10K BTUs are required by some cities for small rooms such as bedrooms. Unfortunately, there are very few (if any) gas logs that have such a low BTU rating. The reason for this is that such little gas would result in a fire that was so low that you would not see the flames pop up above the logs. You may need to look at some other type of heater, or consider using vented gas logs that don't have such restrictions. looking for artificial logs for a circular exterior fire pit

Do you need just the logs, or do you need the burner system as well?

If you just need logs, you can purchase any of the R. H. Peterson logs separately for your firepit. I would recommend the Western Campfire logs since they are designed to be arranged more like a campfire stack of wood. Since we have no way for you to purchase just the logs on our site, you will need to call us to discuss your needs, get prices, and place your order. If you need a complete burner system with logs, then R. H. Peterson has a complete outdoor firepit that can be sold as a stand-alone unit. Or, you can purchase the Burner, Electronic Ignition Valve, and Logs separately for your own custom installation. We do not currently have this on our web site, but you can visit R. H. Peterson site to see this great product.

Do any of the gas logs have double or triple burners?

Tips on Firepits. The Glo Fire gas logs on our site have a Double Burner compared to the R. H. Peterson logs which have a single burner. However, I can tell you from first hand experience that the amount of flame you get from the Glo Fire double burner is no more impresive than the flame you get from the R. H. Peterson single burner, because their single burner has larger ported holes which give you more flame. The placement of the burner beneath the bottom front log will determine how much flame you get in front and in the middle of the logs. . not whether it is a double or triple burner. The further foward you place the single burner, the more flame you get in front of the bottom front log and the less flame you get coming up between the 2 bottom logs and visa-versa. With double and triple burners, you don't have as much flexibility since often times these burners are attached to the grate and you cannot change where the flame is directed. If you are concerned about heat, compare the BTUs. In most cases you will find that the R. H. Peterson single burner has as many or more BTUs as a competitors triple burner. So, the Double and Triple burner thing is more often just a bunch of hype because marketing departments believe that the consumer always thinks "More is Better". what would make the control regulator malfunction?

The typical cause of problems with gas log safety pilot components is heat. Every gas log has required clearances from the sidewalls of the fireplace : and quite frankly, most people do not pay attention to these and just install a log that seems to fit. Not leaving the required clearance will almost always result in failures of the safety pilot and other components. Also, the brand of the gas log system that you have has a lot to do with the quality and durability as well. Gas logs purchased at mass merchants and department stores are the most likely to have problems. In our over 25 years experience selling, installing, and servicing gas logs, R. H. Peterson gas logs have far fewer problems than any other brand : that's the main reason we feature them almost exclusively on our site, even though we carry other brands. Do I ever need to replace the logs on gas burning, vented fireplace?

All of our logs have a lifetime warranty, so if you buy them from us, you would never have to replace them. Are there any log sets which do not use a continually lit pilot?

You have 2 choices : Either purchase a Matchlight system or an Electronic Ignition. Matchlight systems are the least expensive burners because they do not have any safety pilot. You light them by turning on the gas and using a long match to light the logs. Matchlight burners are RADCO approved, not CSA approved. Some areas require CSA approval and will not allow RADCO approved logs, so you will need to check with your local building officials to see if CSA approval is required. If you use our gas log calculator and select "No Pilot" for the Burner Type, only Matchlight systems will come up. Electronic ignition is the other end of the spectrum and is the most expensive type of system that you can purchase. However, it is what you are requesting if you desire a CSA approved ignition system that does not have a standing pilot, yet has a safety valve that can be turned on and off by flicking a switch or using an optional remote control. Because of your question, we have added the option to select Electronic Ignition in our gas log calculator. Now you can easily find logs with this option by selecting "Electronic Remote Ignition" for your burner type. Once we receive our natural gas logs, who do we call to have them installed? Would you need a general contractor, someone from the gas company, or a plumber?

A plumber would be best : Does the log set sit flat on the bottom of the fireplace? I have a ash chute in the middle of the fireplace and would like to bring the propane into the fireplace at this point? Can this be done?

Depends on how much room you have. The burner does in fact sit flat on the floor of the fireplace, but it is only about 7" deep and needs to sit at least 4" from the front. So if your ash dump is at least 11" back from the front of the firebox floor, then you should be OK. We also do have burners that sit up on legs. They don't look as good when they burn, so we don't have them on our site. However, you can call us to discuss purchasing one if the above option does not work out. Which logs put out the most heat and stay warm after being turned off. The answer to your question depends on what is more important to you : the heat output during operation or the heat output when your logs are turned off. The reason I say this is because Ventless logs will put out the most heat during operation, but cool off quickly and radiate very little heat when they are turned off. Vented logs will put out far less heat during operation, but the 100% Kiln Fired Ceramic vented logs will radiate more heat when they are turned off than any of the other vented or ventless logs. So your decision will be more so between whether you want Vented or Ventless logs than anything else. In preparing my response to this question, I realized that the material types of our gas logs were not apparent and there was very little intuitive help for this subject. Since this question was asked, we immediately added more details about the materials our gas logs are made of in various places on our site. How do I get my existing fireplace adapted to use propane gas logs. This is a job for a licensed plumber who knows what the building code requirements are for your municipality. What is the difference between remote and variable remote?

Standard remote controls just turn the fire on and off. Variable remote controls can also adjust the flame. The technology for variable remotes is more sophisticated, so they are more expensive. Is it less expensive to use gas furnace or gas logs?

Since the cost to operate any gas appliance is billed to you by the amount of BTUs that it consumes, the cost difference simply depends on the BTU input of both devices. However, in order to do a true cost comparison, you must also take into account the amount of BTUs that the appliance "Outputs". This would be calculated by multiplying the BTU input by the efficiency rating. I am assuming that you want to get heat out of your gas logs, so you will be confined to "Ventless" logs which are 99% heat efficient. You will have to do the math to compare a furnice to a gas log : without knowing what the BTU input and efficiency rating are for the furnace you wish to compare to, I cannot answer your question. how much natural gas consumption does a fireplace burn per hour?

The amount of gas that a gas log burns per hour is measured in BTUs : just like any other gas appliance. The BTU ratings vary depending on the size and type of burner that you select. So, in order to answer this question, you must use our gas log size calculator to determine the right size logs for your fireplace. When you get to this step, you will see variuos burner options as well as the BTU ratings for each option. Can you use andirons instead of the grate provided?

Sure : it's a great way to display the logs. is any wiring necessary with the variable flame remote?

Only wires that go from the receiver to the valve. Nothing that needs to be plugged in. My gas line is on the left side can I get a log for a left hand side hook up?

This depends on the log set that you order. Some safety pilots cannot be reversed to the left hand side. Also, there is no way for you to specify this on your order if you order online, so you will have to call us to see if the change can be made and place your order over the phone. What our installers do for our local customers is simply add a couple elbows and pipe extensions to the existing gas line to extend the gas line back and around to the other side. You need only get the gas line near the back right hand corner, you don't need to get it any further since all of our gas logs come with a 12" long bendable connector tube which can complete the extension from the back. The pipe pieces that you need are sold at any typcial hardware store or home building store like Home Depot. A typical job will use 2 elbows, a 6" section, and an 18" section : of course, this depends on the position of the incoming gas line, the depth of your fireplace, and the back width. CAn you buy just the logs, or do you need the burner and control too? We have a gas pipe in our masonry fireplace already. Which ventless will give the most heat?

All of our ventless logs put out about the same amount of heat, ranging from 36000 to 39000 BTUs. At this level, there is not that much difference in overall heat output. However, the Ventless Charred Wilderness Oak beats the others by a slight margin. I have listed them in order below for your comparison:

1-Ventless Charred Wilderness Oak - 39000 BTUs

2-Ventless Charred Aged Split - 37000 BTUs

3-Ventless Charred Frontier Oak - 37000 BTUs

4-Ventless Charred Trail Oak - 37000 BTUs

5-Ventless Forrest Oak - 36000 BTUs

6-Ventless Golden Oak Designer - 36000 BTUs

7-Ventless Split Oak - 36000 BTUs

I recommend 2, 3, and 4 the most because they are made of Ceramic Fiber instead of Refractory Ceramic. The slightly lower BTU won't be noticeable : however, the beautiful glow that you get with ceramic fiber will look substantially more realistic. 1, 5, 6, and 7 are all made of Refractory Ceramic. can gas ventless logs be used in a conventional vented fireplace

Absolutely : that is the main application for ventless logs. Are gas fireplace logs easily installed by homeowner?

Why do I Need a pilot kit for my gas logs using propane?

Tips on Firepits. Liquid Propane is heavier than air and requires a safety pilot. If you do not have a safety pilot and someone (a child for instance) accidentally turns the gas on without lighting the logs (which a safety pilot will automatically do), the LP gas would "Puddle" in your room instead of going up the flue. Since a safety pilot always has a flame small flame burning, the leaking gas will ignite inside the fireplace before it creates a hazard. A safety pilot also controls the incoming gas to the gas log burner valve. So if the safety pilot is blown out or shut off, the gas burner valve is automatically closed so that no gas can escape. This holds true for both Natural Gas and LP Gas. The reason that Natural Gas logs do not require a safety pilot is that, since natural gas is lighter than air, the majority of escaping gas would go up the flue in the event that someone turns on the gas line without lighting the logs. Both Natural Gas and LP "Vented" gas logs also require that the damper be propped open permanently as a preventative measure in the case that someone accidentally turns on the gas without lighting the logs or lights the logs without opening the damper. An easy to install damper clamp is supplied with every vented log set.

What kind of gas logs can I use if my old chimney is not lined?

Tips on Firepits. If your fireplace is in a condition that is safe to burn real wood, then you can use any of the gas logs that we have on our web site. If it is possible to have a local official from your building department come and inspect your fireplace to make this determination, I would suggest that you do so. Otherwise, a chimney sweep would be able to inspect your fireplace to see if it is safe to burn wood, but they do not always offer a definitive answer : just an opinion. Final option would be to close off the damper and install a ventless gas log. However, before you install a ventless log, be sure to read all of the pros and cons listed on this page. The inside brick of my fireplace was painted . Is it safe to use a gas logs?

If the fireplace was painted with typical household paint or outdoor paint, then it may not be safe to burn gas logs. If you plan to purchase Ventless logs, you must remove the paint, since any toxic fumes created by heating the paint would go right into the room. This would not be as critical an issue with vented gas logs, since the fumes would most likely go up the flue along with the exhaust from the gas. However, we still do not recommend burning any gas logs where the inside of the fireplace has been painted, unlesss it has been painted with high temperature 1200 degree heat resistant paint designed specifically for this purpose. If you are not sure what type of paint was used, you should probably have the paint professionally removed. which of the Peterson Real Fyre gas logs have the radiant heat chamber?

Can I burn my gas logs with the doors closed?

No : all gas logs must be burned with the doors open. You will find this as a big warning in the operations manual. There is only 1 gas log on the market that I am aware that is an exception. Unfortunately, it has a very unrealistic appearance and does not meet the standards for products that we supply : so we don't carry it.

I'm a metal fabricator/welder. I want to build my own firebox for this set of logs. Can Iput glass in the front with some source of oxygen to the inside, could Iput a fan system in an exterior shell?

Tips on Firepits. Gas logs require that they be installed in a wood burning fireplace and that they be burned with the glass doors open (if there are glass doors). do you have eiklor gas logs

We do not stock them. However we can special order them, but have found that their stock models are not as good a value as the R. H. Peterson logs. Eiklor specializes in custom made logs for very large or unusual fireplaces : which is where they excell. Are you looking for custom made logs?

The G4-24 burner does not automatically come with a remote control, although it is an option that can be added. If you want this option, be sure to select the remote control option in our calculator before searching for your logs. How do I insall my gas logs?

At this time, we do not have complete installation instructions for every gas log posted on our web site : However, the generic description of a typical gas log installation goes as follows (assuming that you already have a gas line installed in your fireplace). Please be sure to carefully follow the instructions that come with your gas logs. The following instrucitons are just here so you can understand what's involved. First, open your damper (for vented gas logs) and close your gas valve. For vented gas logs, there will be a small "C" shaped clamp that you easily attach to your damper to prevent it from ever closing all the way. This is required for safety in case you forget to open the damper : or someone turns on the gas without starting the fire (with a match light system). There is a brass fitting that gets attached to the existing incoming gas line. This fitting requires Teflon tape or pipe dope on the end that attaches to the incoming gas line. There is a bendable connector tube with flared fittings that you will use to connect the burner to the incoming gas line : but don't do this yet. Now, before you connect the burner to the gas line, first you need to find the best position for the burner and grate. Place the wedge-shaped burner in the center of the fireplace with the shorter end facing forward and the burner tube facing up. Place the grate over the burner with the wider front legs of the grate just in front of the front edge of the burner tube so that the back edge of the burner pan runs right about down the middle of the grate. Move both the burner and grate more toward the back of the fireplace if possible, maintaining the positioning described. This will give you a better draft. Now that you have the burner in the correct position, remove the grate from the fireplace so that you can connect the burner to the gas line

If your gas fireplace is not or was never capable of burning wood, then you cannot change the gas logs that came with the fireplace. This is a critical safety issue. Gas fireplaces use a TypeB vent, which is not capable of handling the exhaust that gas logs create. If you change the log configuration, the flames from your burner system will touch the logs in ways that it was not designed for which may cause the flame to produce soot and "Carbon Monoxide"!

Rule of thumb: If a gas fireplace came with a burner system and logs, then you cannot change it. Can I buy Vent Free logs without the the burner?

No : it is critical with Vent Free logs that you purchase them as a complete set or only replace your logs with the same exact logs that came with the burner system or gas fireplace. Here are some important reasons why:

If you would like to use an on/off wall switch with your gas logs, simply select "Remote Pilot" in your search. All of the remote pilots have a wall switch option that can be purchased separately. The wall switch will come with a wire that needs to be run from the gas log safety pilot to the location where you wish to install your switch. Will your gas logs heat a room as well as real wood?

There is no real answer to this question since each piece of hardwood has a different BTU value and every room in every home is a bit different. I have yet to see any scientific testing that makes such a comparison. Some wood burning fireplaces will heat a room and some will not. There are just too many factors involved. If you want to heat your room with gas logs, you should consider ventless logs. But you must be sure they are legal in your area and that you can handle the negative effects. Read more about the pros and cons of ventless logs on this page. My fireplace measures 36" Front x 26" Back x 14" Deep. With matchlight logs, Do I have room for 30" (cheated forward a bit) or should I stick with the 24" log set and not fill the firebox as much as I would like?

No doubt you should use a 24" log set : you will be surprised how much it will fill the firebox. A 30" log set will look far too big. If you are concerned that a 24" log set will look too small in your fireplace, I would suggest that you use the Charred Royal English Oak logs which have a very massive appearance. Also, the charred logs have a bottom log that is burnt through into 2 peices, so if you want to fudge the width a bit, you can simply spread them apart a bit. Click here to see this log set

This is a very popular question : the answer to which has many variables to consider. My gas line comes in from the top and to the front. would this pipe need to be shielded

When you say the gas line comes in from the "TOP" do you mean on the floor of the fireplace?

Tips on Firepits. If the gas line is on the floor inside the fireplace and is positioned toward the front, then it depends on how close to the front it is. If it is within 4 to 6 inches of the front, you should have no problem because the gas log grate is about 13" deep. When installing your gas logs, you will want to position the grate all the way to the back of the fireplace. This should allow you plenty of room for your gas line to be out of the way without having to shield it. The aesthetics are the real concern. How high the gas line stands will have an impact on how the final installation looks. If it is more than 2" tall, you will probably want to hide it by using a ceramic pinecone or some extra ceramic twigs that we can supply. Please call and talk to one of our experts about these options since they are not yet available for purchase on our web site. If you can email us picture of your fireplace, we will be able to make a more accurate determination. I have a 27" wide Vanguard log set. Can this be installed in a 30" x 21" see thru fireplace?

Since we do not carry gas logs by Vanguard, we cannot answer this question accurately. However, I suspect that a certain amount of clearance is required from the side walls of the fireplace to keep the safety pilot from overheating, therefore I would conclude that the logs you have are too large. (providing there is a safety pilot with the model you purchased)

If you can return the logs you purchased, I would recommend that you use our gas log calculator to find logs that will fit safely in your fireplace with proper clearances. My thermostat went out. What are the best logs you have to upgrade to?

Select any of the "Vented" gas logs if you want the best looking fire. Select "Ventless" if you want the most heat, but are not as interested in a realistic flame. Otherwise, all of the gas logs on our site use similar burner systems, so the choice is really up to the style logs you like best as well as the type of control.

Can I convert my vented propane logs to vent free?

Tips on Firepits. No, it is not possible to convert vented logs into ventless logs. They use completely different burner systems and ventless logs require the use of logs that are specifically designed for the burner they are used with. Even more, the logs must be stacked in an exact manner.

Can propane gas logs be converted to use natural gas?

This depends on the brand and model of gas logs. If your logs are AGA or CSA approved, then you cannot technically make this change yourself since part of the CSA approval process requires that the manufacturer assemble and test the burner system before it gets to you. So to convert your log set from Liquid Propane to Natural Gas (or visa-versa), you will need to purchase a complete new burner system and safety pilot that is made to work with your logs. If your logs are made by R. H. Peterson and they are one of the RADCO approved log sets, then you can make the change yourself by purchasing a new safety pilot and replacing the vermiculite with sand.

Can your logs be used in an outdoor fire place?

If the fireplace is not open to the elements ( say directly exposed to rain), I would say it's OK to use them. However, you should check with your local building department to be sure they don't have a specific requirement for the logs you use in your outdoor fireplace (most cities don't). Keep in mind that none of our logs (or any other brand that I am aware of) are specifically rated, tested, or warrantied for use in an outdoor fireplace. So you will find that any damage caused by the elements is not covered under warranty. Furthermore, I would not recommend that you purchase any logs with a safety pilot because the wind will probably blow it out when you are not using the logs. On the other hand, if you are using Liquid Propane, a safety pilot is mandatory for safe operation : so you will probably need to light the pilot every time that you light your logs. give me your recommendation for the size I have shown.

Can your gas logs be installed in a ventless fireplace?

The answer is yes if your ventless fireplace is one which comes without a burner system and is designed to accept aftermarket vent free logs and you purchase one of our ventless log sets. Vented gas logs cannot be installed in a ventless fireplace. This would be seriously hazardous. What type of fireplace is needed to install my gas logs?

You need a fully vented fireplace that is capable of burning real wood if you plan to use vented. This is important, because only woodburning fireplaces have a large enough flue to handle the exhaust. Ventless logs can be installed in either a wood burning fireplace with the damper closed or ventless fireplace that is rated to use aftermarket ventless gas logs. You must check with your local building department to see if ventless logs are legal in your municipality. Tips on Firepits. Ventless logs are not legal in California, but can be used as decorative gas logs if they are burned with the damper open.

Fire Accessories - Kits for Fire Pits and Fireplaces

How Wood Burns

Water

Up to half the weight of freshly cut logs is water. After proper seasoning only about 20% of the weight is water. As the wood is heated in the firebox, this water boils off, consuming heat energy in the process. The wetter the wood, the more heat energy is consumed. That is why wet wood hisses and sizzles while dry wood ignites and burns easily.

Smoke (or flame)

As the wood heats up above the boiling point of water, it starts to smoke. The hydrocarbon gases and tars that make up the smoke are combustible if the temperature is high enough and oxygen is present. When the smoke burns, it makes the bright flames that are characteristic of wood combustion. If the smoke does not burn in the firebox, it may condense in the chimney, forming creosote.

Charcoal

As the fire progresses and most of the hydrocarbons have vaporized, charcoal remains. Charcoal is almost 100% carbon and burns with very little flame or smoke. Charcoal is a good fuel that burns easily and cleanly when enough oxygen is present. Of the total energy content of the wood you burn, about half is in the form of smoke, and half is charcoal.

The challenge in burning wood efficiently is to burn off the smoke before it leaves the firebox. The rest of the suggestions in this fact sheet will help you to get more heat from your wood, and reduce creosote deposits and air pollution.

2. Preparing Firewood

It takes 9 to 18 months for wood to properly season after it has been cut to length and split. Wood dries 10 times as fast through the end grain as it does through tangential sides. Splitting into smaller pieces will further speed drying. Dry, seasoned wood will ignite and burn much easier and cause fewer problems with condensation and creosote.

Green or improperly seasoned wood will be free of checking and cracks on the ends, will feel "heavier" and may even feel moist to the touch. Often it will give off more of an odor than dry wood. When it burns it will often sizzle and pop, and give off steam. It is not recommended for burning in a factory-built fireplace.

Firewood should be split and stacked under cover in the early spring to be ready for burning in the fall. After drying in the summer sun and warm winds, the wood should be below 20% moisture content. A piece of dry firewood has large cracks or checks in the end grain. Look for these when judging the quality of firewood. Hardwoods and softwoods are chemically similar-the difference is density. Hardwoods, being more dense produce a longer-lasting fire.

3. Starting or Rekindling the Fire

When starting a fire, use plenty of crumpled newspaper and kindling. As a guide, fill the firebox completely with loosely crumpled newspaper and hold it down with at least ten pieces of finely-split dry kindling. Softwoods make the best kindling. Find out where the combustion air enters the firebox of your stove and light the fire there so that the fire gets plenty of air. Open the air inlets fully.

• Use dry, split kindling and newspaper to set the fire
• Use a seperate piece of newspaper formed into a torch and lit at one end to warm the flue, once the damper is opened
• When draft is established, light the kindling
• Once the kindling is burning, add pieces of larger wood. Be careful not to smother the fire with pieces that are too large
• Do not overload the firebox
• Burn fires of reasonable size
• Do not burn garbage or waste materials, especially highly flammable materials such as gift wrappings or evergreen boughs
• Never use flammable liquids to start a fire.

Burn Dry Wood Because:

• It gives up to 25% higher efficiency
• It produces fewer creosote deposits
• It ignites faster and smokes less
• It is lighter to carry